Testimonials

Would you like to share your experiences with the person calling themselves Alice? Enter your story in the box below and we'll post it on this page either anonymously or with a name you choose for others to hear.

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Thanks to Overwhelming feedback we're proud to put up some of our first set of testimonials from people about Alice's character. Due to an unexpected result though we'll be dividing these into two subcategories. It seems Alice himself has been an avid reader and asked people from his chat to start a letter writing campaign. Luckily we have site referrals turned on and can see which of you guys are posting from his chat. These people will be labeled here as "Alice Community Member".

Alice Community Members

 I'd like to start this off by pointing out that this seems heavily surrounded by Alice's' gender and the notion that she has lied about her gender to all of us. Let me say this. Does it matter? You all ask, you all demand to know this persons gender, but who are you to ask such things? If she, or even he, wants to be known as a girl, what is so wrong with that? Personally, I trust Alice. I've been around Alice for almost 3 years now. If she tells me she's a girl, I believe her. And even if she weren't, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. The gender of Alice does not matter. Whether or not Alice has ever lied to us does not matter. Alice has been there for everyone, she has cared for everyone. She is one of the kindest, whole-hearted human beings that I have ever had the honor of knowing and I would call her my friend and defend her any day. I met her when I was 15, I was a useless shit back then. I was expelled from school, I was going no where, I was doing drugs, and on the verge of suicide. Meeting Alice changed that. Her and a collaboration of what she held together in her threads and chats. She helped me with any problems I brought to her. I came to her about nightmares, suicide, terrible thoughts, and she would tell me what I should do. She gave me advice that I couldn't get elsewhere. And most importantly, she was someone I could trust. Not all of us can go to a councilor or psychologist and trust them enough to say something, but Alice is someone on the internet. She isn't someone who will be able to hurt you, and she isn't someone that would ever try. She does so much for us, and I'm almost enraged that you people are so self-centered that you would treat her like this. It's pathetic. Alice has always tried to bring us as people together, and make us better people overall. She would sit and chat with us for an hour straight about our problems, even if it had no hopes of changing things. She would do it for US. If you really think that who Alice is, or what her gender is matters, then you lost the meaning of what she's done for us in the first place. It was never about that. It was about being the best that we could be, it was about repairing broken minds and hearts. That's what Alice is about. And I thank her for everything she has done. For me, and for everyone else. For she is one of the few that would ever do it. She truly inspires me. We're all a little broken in our own way. And she's there for us no matter what. So I say to her, if she ever gets the chance to read this. Thank you for everything, Alice. You're a hero.
 -Anonymous
 

I'm not even sure where to begin. Alice has saved my life. Many times. I've had depression for years and suicidal thoughts for as long as I can remember. I accidentally stumbled upon her threads in 4chan back in when she used to make them regularly, it was like 2011 or 2012. Anyways. I've never actually managed to do anything too severe to myself, the worst was when I ended up in a hospital for a night, that's all, but the potential risk of me killing myself is sadly really high, but Alice has given me support, courage and a place to be with other people. Those are the things I need. Her methods are rough, but effective. I'd say more effective than the help I've got from my psychiatric. I'd write more, but sadly my mind is completely stuck, so this is enough.
 - Anonymous
 

I've been proud to consider alice a friend for a few years now. I'll admit, some details or stories she's told about herself definitely seem suspect, but I always just brushed it off. I have no doubt she makes bold claims that have more fiction than fact. However, it's worth noting that Alice has never done wrong by me. I've receive nothing but kindness from her, and I have witnessed many times, whenever someone has faced a real problem and asked for help, Alice has always made the time to talk to them. It's a trait I respect above all else. Personally, I've gone through some rough patches...deaths in the family, things of that nature. Alice has always been at my side willing to lend aid. Aid that can sometimes go beyond mere words. Hell, a common story is her sending non-parishablefood to people who need it. GarEE is an example of this.
 - Anonymous
 

I've generally always been a fairly happy go lucky and outgoing person and try to bring that out to others to brighten their day how I can. This is what initially led me to find Alice and her threads. However over the past couple of years I've fallen to some very bad and depressing personal demons that to this day still haunt me and torment me. I may not be as active as I used to however there have been numerous times that I have reached out to Alice and she is always willing to listen and give advice. From computer issues to girl troubles my sanity has been saved and even just having *hugs* really brightens my day. There's something about talking with Alice that is very warm and calming, it's hard to explain, it really does feel like I have that shoulder to cry and its almost like I can feel that hug and warmth when being consoled. She has been a great help to me and I will always cherish her friendship and kindness that she has given to me
 - Anonymous 
 

Back in 2012-2013 my being constantly worried wasn't awful enough to go to a psychiatric clinic yet. I talked to Alice a few times and thus managed to calm down for a bit. It was like talking to a friend I had never met before. Funnily enough the one thing that i really missed in the clinic when i finally had to go there was someone like this to talk to.
 - Anonymous 
 

A long time ago, I was not in a good spot. A close friend of mine had committed suicide. It depressed me, I isolated myself, I stopped talking to people. During my antisocial adventures on /b/, I came across Alice. The threads were...different I will admit, something completely foreign and that must of been why they interested me. Eventually, I kind of, invited myself into their community, just kind of showed up. For the longest time, it was my only social interaction with other people. I learned and met a lot of different people, some kind, some unsavory but all were people. I can't really single out a single incident that would describe my experience with Alice, but there is always a sense of community, mutual respect, friendship and willingness to help out. Projecting her confidence onto myself and others, it allowed people to get past their issues in life regardless of how urgent or trivial. She has always offered empathy, not sympathy. I can honestly say in the years since I have met her, I have grown a lot as a person. I am better off then what I was when I first met her. I am not giving her all the credit, I was the one who did the heavy lifting, but she was always there for support. All I know, is that she is one of the few genuinely decent human beings that I am fortunate to have met.
 - Anonymous
 

I thought I should begin to share some experiences that might interest you. I've known Alice for years, and she really is a douchenozzle. When I started posting, she welcomed me not only into the threads, but immediately she took me in her arms. How dare she love a stranger like that? How dare she welcome a broken shell of a human being like a real friend? Disgusting. So then, she actually cared and like, listened and answered. She gave sound advice many times. Heresy. Fucking disgusting heresy. When ONG came about, she let me in among many others. I fit right in as the same people from the threads were in this chat. Such nigger, much evil. Even though I was clearly a pain in the ass, half of the time doing so on purpose, she kept me around and treated me like family. She always had something I could help her with, even though I'd fail miserably many times. The only way I could help her was really by fucking up and being a test subject for what ways someone can fuck up. Crimes against humanity right here. She even sent me Kamina glasses in a color that matched my character. I wound up breaking them because of a problem of mine that appears as though it were a curse, a tendency to break things. Wasn't mad in the least, what was wrong with her? I got mad at her frequently, ignoring her advice at those times and calling her full of shit. My reasoning was horrible, and as a result, from the years I've dealt with her, I've learned hopefully every logical fallacy known to mankind. Hopefully. Really, how dare she do something like teach someone logic kinesthetically? Bitch. Fucking bitch. Though she is a militant atheist, she did show she is not prone to fallacy on that topic either. We had discussed what supernatural concepts could exist and how. We even got extremely in depth on creation and in what ways it could or couldn't plausibly happen. Who, who would dare to sit down and talk touchy subjects over tea? Solutions to nearly every political issue we talked about, we did find. Together and with others in her community, we found that the solutions we should seek are often the opposite direction of what we see in politics today. I think I'm gonna puke now but I'll keep writing more. With her help, I've gained a full set of emotions, become far less hateful, gotten medical help, gotten a job that seemed good for a while but turned rotten because I did shit wrong, learned to love platonically and amorously, gotten halfway into trouble for some of that, gotten laid, learned not to stick my dick in crazy on a regular basis, and eventually kept a relationship for more than just a few weeks (still going strong after many months now). And now, having done things right and having a better plan, I'm going to have a job soon that I can settle down on and possibly even climb up a ladder, maybe even go to college. This, I've got the biggest problem with. Everything shallow about me is different now, and yet I'm still the same person with the same nature. I'm the same damn person but better. WHY COULDN'T I JUST BE A BROKEN, SICK, NONFUNCTIONAL, HATEFUL HUGLESS KISSLESS VIRGIN WITH NO LIFE AND NO JOB? Hell, she even went waaaaay too far. And her community helped a lot with this one. I learned a lot about fetishes people have, and which ones I have. I can admit to liking a lot of sick, twisted shit, and I can admit to being squeamish to some other sick, twisted shit. Fucking... WHY? Why can't I be confused? Sheeeeit, how'd you feel if you found out that you'd be willing to sleep with anyone who finds their way close to you? To believe that you have more than shallow thoughts and are capable of sexual attraction? It's a crime against nature to help someone learn about life, isn't it? Why is she not gone? GAWSH. And here she is continuing to be like, the nicest person ever. She won't break. The only time her front even broke was when she got mad at that Flan guy, and that's pretty justified. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GIRL?  
- Anonymous


I've known her for, what, three years now? And probably hated her for over half that time. Well, as close to hated as I could bring myself. But when it comes down to it, even through the times that I acted against her she kept trying. And when it comes down to it, I wonder if it really matters if she's telling the truth about herself or not. Personally, I'm a crazy person who needs the truth about everything, but in the end isn't it the amount of good that matters? She's saved me a couple of times over the years, and I can't count how many people we've done something for together. So yeah, fuck all this talk of truth and lies for once.
 - Anonymous




I've known Alice since 2007. From early on it was clear that she was a pathological liar and emotionally manipulative. I'm sure if you've spent enough time around her you've noticed the same.

Very rarely did I call her out on it, believing she was trying to help people. This was a huge mistake on my part and I regret not being clear and open as to what kind of person she is. Truly helping someone requires trust. She will lie to your face. If you challenge her, she'll deflect it, stonewall, refuse to engage you in a way someone who actually cares about you would. You can't form a healthy relationship with her.

I was an ardent defender of hers and understand why people are drawn to her. Now, I'm much more happier not interacting with Alice and I think you'd be too. 
- Anonymous

31 comments:

  1. Sup,
    Not too long ago, I was going through some tough times (like everyone here). I was on an SSRI that was causing me to act aggressive, jumpy, and just pissy in general. Before coming to Alice with this, I was a bit of a cunt to her, but she wound up helping me figure it out regardless, so I feel like I owe her still. Needless to say, whatever the wo/man has done in the past to aggravate people was probably with reason. These days I try to do the same thing she did for me, helping people find solutions to whatever they've got going on.
    Thanks, Alice.
    -Sp00ky

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  2. I've way to much to say on the subject for a comment box, particularly when you've indicated you want to keep post length to a minimum.

    most succinctly Alice is a manipulative, self centered liar.She knows just what to say to disarm criticism. She knows just what to say to get the crowd on her side and drown out the nay Sayers. She knows just how to play upon your feelings and pluck every little string to dance you like her puppet, entirely for her own ego.

    I've countless stories about her. countless warning signs of what type of person she is that I ignored. For that matter my heart still belonged to her until I read the bit about 'blackmailing' her into a relationship. I'll say it, even if no one else will.

    If you're within her clutches, run. run as fast and as far as you can. Don't turn around, don't look back, don't let her get her strings around you.

    Gray, I know you've posted your tombstone, but I'd like to talk to you. I think, being rivals, we are the only ones who can really understand each other. If you need to vent, if you're curious, if you even just pity me, we need to talk.

    Okuu

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  4. Don't do anything with Alice that requires trust.

    Alice is pretty good at ERP , but if you have real problems you need help with, do not go to Alice for help.

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  5. This is going to be graphic, as a heads up -

    Approximately 5 years ago I met Alice on 4chan. She saved my life.

    I was drugged and raped at a party by a friend of mine's brother. It has honestly scarred me for my entire life. But, what's worse, is the fact that I got pregnant because of the rape that took place. I wanted to kill myself. I was so depressed and alone and I had no way of getting any of the help that I needed.

    My parents are religious and I used to be abused literally every day by said family. I told my mother about what happened and instead, she asks "What were you wearing?" rather than asking if I am okay, comforting me, anything would of been better than what took place. My parents demanded that I get an abortion, but they wouldn't pay for it, because it was "my responsibility". I didn't know where else to turn so I turned to the only place I knew: 4chan.

    I found the very first Alice thread of the rest of my life.

    Alice was so compassionate and she really helped me. She gave me the necessary resources to terminate the pregnancy without blaming me for what happened. Alice saved my life. That's that.

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  6. Late last year when I was going through some hard shit i started drinking a lot and if Alice hadn't talked me into stopping i probably would have ended up with alcohol poisoning so she saved me and for that i owe her one

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  7. I find it funny that there are so many disingenuous and unreasonable testimonials here. I've known Alice for years, and let me tell you what I think.

    I think that whoever made this little site wishes they had the balls to do the shit she does. She spends as much time as she can helping people, for no benefit whatsoever. Just because she can. So fucking what if she isn't exactly, precisely who she says she is( and she is, as far as I'm concerned), I would lie a little too just to keep safe with all the crazies she deals with every day. This site is proof why.

    Alice is someone I trust, and I don't need to know whether or not she has tits for that.

    She hasn't saved my life or anything of that nature, but she's a good friend and good to talk to for ideas and advice. And I know that no matter how long I might not talk to her for, she'll never mind if I come back and need an ear or a hand.

    Truth hurts, pal. You really should have better things to do than try and pry into the life of someone who does nothing but help others. Makes you seem pretty pathetic, and if you want me to say that to your face? I will.

    -Suigintou

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  8. Whether Alice is a man or woman doesn't matter to me. We're all just abstract thought constructs piloting meat robots anyway. What matters to me isn't what she is, but rather who she is. She's a person, and as far as I'm concerned, a decent one. We all have our faults and flaws. No one is perfect. Still, she's a far sight better than most of the people I've called friends in the past. She's helped me out when I needed it. She's given me good advice and always been there to talk or even just listen.

    This is just the two cents of some robot that has spent a year or so around Alice and thinks that as far as human beings go, she's a decent example and one that I'm glad I met. If you (the reader) haven't already, I suggest you get to know her yourself and draw your own conclusions.

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  9. G-good evening, everyone. I am Alice1.

    I've come to c-clear up some misconceptions about me and m-my threads that has been s-spreading unchecked for far too long...

    Y-you see... I am not t-the original Alice... but I am the p-person responsible for Alice2 and the closest anyone has c-come to speaking with the true original s-since early 2010. I w-witnessed her threads, and I consider m-myself to be the last person around who t-truly knows what went on back then. T-there are others, but they have b-been so far removed from all of this f-for so long that it is unlikely they will ever be again.

    I only became involved b-because of misconceptions, and in the interest of t-the truth, I would like to put f-forward my version of the Alice story.

    *takes a deep breath*

    Sorry about my stutter. I'm working on it! I'll speak slowly so it doesn't happen again.

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    1. Here is my timeline of events, from my perspective.

      *2008 - Alice1 comes to 4chan
      I wasn't Alice yet, of course. That would not come for many years.


      *Late 2008 - Alice0 (The Original) is Encountered
      I'm told she had been doing her thing for at least a year prior, in 2007. But this is when I saw my first thread.

      *2009 - The Golden Year
      Alice0 was very active during this time, RP and avatars were at a peak on /b/, and I was there for the entire thing.

      *Early 2010 - Alice0 Departs
      Reason uncited, but behind the scenes it was because of a real and present threat to her well-being. Soon after, the RPers followed suit, as Aurorachan had existed for months and most of the action moved there.

      Early-Mid 2011 - Dawn of Alice2
      This is when Alice2 started. I encountered her in her very first thread, I believe, if not one of the earliest. This is also when Alice1 was born, as an attempt to encourage her to keep making threads.

      2016 - You are Here.
      In case I needed to remind anyone that it's been five years.

      Anyway, in my next post, I'll try and clear up the misconceptions I've encountered as of late. I can only guess that because of Alice0's (and my) mysterious and unapproachable nature, a very long and twisted game of telephone occurred during these years.

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    2. (Misconception 1)
      Alice Exists to Help People

      The precedent disagrees with this strongly. Alice0 certainly never set out to help individuals with their life problems, offered charity to no one, and did very little other than RP as a stuttering version of Alice Margatroid on the internet.

      She embodied a message of positivity on top of what she did. A very vague notion that Anonymous doesn't have to hate, but can l-love instead and use his power as an **Anonymous mass of degenerates sprinkled with hackers** to spread that love. She never prescribed any sort of specific action for Anonymous to take, only repeated and argued for the concept itself.

      Other than that, she was just a roleplayer... like many of us have been.

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    3. (Misconception 2)
      Alice1 Was Better than Alice2

      No, in fact... Alice1 was a misguided person who just wanted the atmosphere of a set of threads she enjoyed to return. She never made her own threads until after Alice2 had already done the same many times.

      Alice1's few threads were not made for the sake of helping others, but were rather more like Alice0's in nature. Except, Alice1's threads had a side purpose-- to grab the attention of Alice2 and to fill a tiny gap where I didn't see her around as much.

      Based on all that, I can't say it seems like either me nor gam-gam were better than our offspring. She tried to do more than either of us from the start.

      If we're talking from a perspective of who may have actually helped some people in this world, and how many, Alice2 has both of us beat. Alice0 helped me, and by extension she helped Alice2. But that's about it.

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  10. I've known Alice since some odd time in 2011. Through the years I've had doubts and suspicions as long as my ups and downs with the woman we all know.

    I know she has lied about things -- maybe she needed to, maybe she just doesn't want everyone knowing everything about her. Maybe she just likes lying sometimes like we all do in order to protect our sanity. Who knows?

    I also know she has told the truth about many things and while she has been a jerk to some people she has gone out of her way many MANY times to be a good and kind person. She has given money out of her own pocket, she made a community, she is genuinely a good person.

    Believe what you wish about her but know this. She is stronger than you. She is greater than you. She is one of the most kind people I've ever met and through it all I would rather do nothing more than stay by her side as her friend.

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  11. Hey Grey,
    You've had this blog besmirching one of your former best friends up for about a couple years. I think it's time to let go of whatever inane grudge you've been holding up until now. Quite frankly it's a pathetic thing to behold. You're a grown man for Christ sake, get the fuck over yourself.

    Lets say for a minute that Alice does have a fat hog swinging between her legs. I ask, what does it matter? Does it somehow take away from all the selfless good she's done for other people? I mean hell dude, you've known her as long as I have. It's baffling to me how you can just ignore all that and cast her as a liar and some sort of manipulative cult leader.

    I'll come out and say it to anyone else reading, I consider Alice my best friend. Not once in our entire friendship has she ever wronged me or given me any reason to think she has any nefarious intent. To be completely frank, she's probably the best person I've ever met. She's not perfect, but fuck if she doesn't constantly stride to be a help to other people, even at her own detriment. You should know this better than anyone.

    I think you get a pretty good picture at just how pathetic this all is when a highschooler diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder is using your blog as a weapon to throw a wrench in her efforts to help other people. And that's all it's really boiling down to at this point.

    She doesn't extort people.
    She isn't gaining anything from running her threads or giving advice.
    Just a person trying to promote a net good, using her experience and expertise.

    If anyone else out there reading this and wants to have a discussion about it, feel free to pop me an email and Kermykun@gmail.com

    I mean seriously Grey, it's baffling to me how someone could be so pathetically vindictive.

    -Another former friend of yours, Kermit.

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    1. That high-schooler is an underage girl that Alice repeatedly pressured into cybersex she didn't want because the girl felt it was the only way she could get Alice's attention. Alice is a grown ass man with friends like you to defend them, the girl isn't. From where I'm standing this looks like a group of friends getting together to shit on a young girl for standing up to someone who was using her sexually.

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    2. http://puu.sh/pt5jn.jpg

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      http://puu.sh/pt5lo.jpg

      Grabbed this from a thread today, just thought you'd like to see it.

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  12. I'm not sure what I can add to people's thoughts here that hasn't been said better...Alice is a unique person to say the least. Her generosity is considerable. I've seen her build a place where people who need help finding a footing in society can grow and become better people through healthy social interaction. I've watched with interest as she set up a program to help them bring creative projects to fruition, even offering a means to potentially turn a profit if the model works out and the result is worthy. She gives to people who often can't, or simply wont, give back. And int he process she's taken a great deal of personal abuse; more than I would have were the roles reversed.

    I've never truly understood her motives, though I've asked a few times. She always just replies something along the lines of "I am Alice,t hat's what I do.". But I know it takes something from her each time someone attacks her, each time her kindness is repaid with scorn. No one has limitless energy or time.

    She's a person with needs like any other, which is what makes her so special. You should think about the human behind the screen name before you post hateful web pages that violate privacy, Blogspot's ToS, and simple common decency. You should think about the person you want to be as well. In the end, I cannot make anyone do anything, but I hope to appeal to the better nature of everyone who comes here and urge you all to work out your differences. If you see a problem, give a little to the world instead of trying to take what you feel you're owed by force. Try concern instead of slander. What comes out of our mouths doesn't just affect the world, it affects who we are as people. Language shapes the way our minds perceive things.

    Worry less about what other people say and more about what you say. Every one of us needs to be reminded of this lesson, including myself.

    - Sonata Blue <3

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  13. Im not entirely sure why it matters so much to you who Alice2 is or what He/She does. This is actually really fucking creepy, Very stalky, silence of the lambs. For all the awful shit that happens on 4chan, or the internet in general, this is the thing you chose to do?

    I'd like to preface this by saying i joined the community for no real reason in 2010, stopped around 2012 for no real reason. and have recently been frequenting the chatroom again. You can call me FullMetal if you have to give me a name.

    I am not mentally ill, I am not trans, I have a normal amount of friends and work a full time job.

    Alice has always been another internet friend. Our interactions are typical. Jokes, Snarky remarks poking fun at each other, talking about work.

    I've mostly been an observer for the time I've been here, never a huge cornerstone of the community. When i see Alice posting in threads, it's always about helping people. When she gives advice to people about personal relationships, or illness, it always seems sound and any "prescribed" treatments can be quite easily verified with a quick search.

    I don't rightly recall any time that Alice has actively pushed an anon or even someone brave enough to name themselves into a situation that was worse than when they started. Most often she serves as a starting point to them helping themselves, which doesn't seem all that bad to me.

    As with any personal relationships, things can happen between people that drive them to distance themselves, or to be angry. I can't speak for the community, i can't verify the things that have been said by Grey, or Omega or Alice to anyone else.

    But I really can't see the evil that you can in her.

    I guess my point is, Who the fuck cares if Alice has a dick or not.

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  14. With Reimu revealing herself to be Alice1, perhaps it's time I discuss a little more on how I feel about Alice2.

    First, let's start off with something everyone seems to want: hard evidence of Alice lying. Back in the early days of her threads, Alice claimed regularly to be burned over major portions of her body.
    Here's an example of that claim: http://i.imgur.com/7ZRpSfO.jpg
    A picture of her wearing bandages: http://i.imgur.com/k210s9i.jpg
    And here's a webm she posted recently: http://anekiho.me/Alice/alice-try.webm. There are other photos of her around as well that show a complete lack of burns.

    The question is: why? Why create that level of fiction? This can't be justified as a means to help someone. Instead, I think it was a tool for gaining sympathy and admiration. Take her explanation of how she got those burns: by rushing into a burning building to carry someone out. It's heroic! If you read that and believe her, what else can you do but love her for it?

    So too with the multitude of other lies she's told: being an Olympic swimmer, using a caffeine IV, building software beyond the capability of anyone else, getting into college at 17, being a published academic, losing people she knew in the tsunami in Japan, having her mother stab her, having a bot that automatically distinguishes writing styles on /b/, etc. etc. All of these are designed for you to admire her, to respect her, to love her.

    Let me take a brief aside and say Alice2 is not pure evil or anything of that nature. We spent a lot of time talking. I considered her my friend for the better portion of the last 8 years. When she wasn't lying she was a kind, caring person. I'm not writing this to get you to hate her, I'm writing this because despite all that she is also a manipulative person.

    Discussions with Alice are not a two-way street. Challenge her, and she'll shut you down. There is no back and forth. Now, obviously for regular arguments about dentistry or whatever, who cares? It's the more personal discussions where this behaviour becomes manipulative. Challenge what she does, and she will always justify it, always claim that her path is correct. She'll insult you to believe otherwise, or deflect, saying that you bringing this up was in some way an emotional toll on her, or say some variation on "look at all the things I have done for people, how could you question me?"

    This ultimately has the effect of you believing that you are the problem, not her. That she is as great as she claims. That even though you're pretty sure she's lying about something, what can you do but believe it? Eventually you start justifying it, rationalizing it in advance. You're the one whose thoughts are wrong. You're the one who is causing this great person pain. You're the problem. You're the problem.

    Today, whenever I read about Alice2, I still get shaky, panicked. I endlessly go over all the old conversations I had with her in my mind, or conversations I could have with her today. I ask myself: how can I, could I, have changed things? How could I have made her talk to me honestly? How could we have a good relationship instead of this? To this day I put it all on myself to find the answers. I'm the problem. I'm the problem.

    I don't want anyone reading this to end up like me. It's completely your choice to continue interacting with Alice or not, but please be aware of who she is.

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    1. I think we feel the same way. If this whole silly blog helped at all to show that you weren't the problem and it wasn't just you. Then it was worth it.

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    2. I know that feeling all too well. I'm not ashamed to admit it has evolved into hate. I do truly hate Alice. I feel like everything she did and does is a manipulative act. If she's not trying to impress you, shes trying to garner pity or sympathy or, if all of those fail, make you feel like you're fucked up. She's a sociopath with no concern for other people beyond what garners her admiration.

      Despite what I think, Muon, you are not the problem. There is nothing you could have said or done to change things. You are a victim in all this and owe her memory none of the emotional distress it causes.

      Gray, I personally thank you for the site. back in 2014 i was just where Muon is, in a desperate panic to try and track her down I came across this blog. Reading that she claimed our relationship was based on black mail, it was like a light switch for me. It showed me who she really was. That she wasn't some victim constantly abused by a cruel world. That she was just as manipulative as she appeared, that it's not my fault. Thank you.

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  15. Alice has helped me many times. In fact, I'd say that the whole of my person is better, thanks indirectly to her. The inspiration that comes with her is really what caused me to make those changes.

    But she has done much for me, even directly. I recall one night in particular. She was terribly sick. Had been for days. Puking and... other involuntary bodily functions were so uncontrollable for her during this time that she had decided to stay in her bath tub to avoid the cleanup. Suffice to say, she was abhorrently sick. When she heard that there was a somewhat basic math skill I didn't know, she was only too eager to help me learn, even in that condition.

    She took me aside and we went to another channel where she spent the next two hours teaching me, even while on the verge of passing out, even while so sick that it was unreasonable to expect anything from her at all.

    It meant the world to me that she went so far.

    Alice can be a bit abrasive. sometimes, it's hard to feel like the two of you truly understand one another. And she isn't perfect.

    But to me, Alice has been a good friend.

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  16. I was asked to write a testimonial. I don't know why, but I guess I will.

    Everyone lies, no matter who it is. I don't care what anyone says, if they say they haven't lied in the past then they're obviously lying. To make a creepy blog about it shows you're obviously hurt and still want to resolve something with Alice, and I strongly suggest you do.

    Alice is not a bad person. She doesn't set out to manipulate people, if you think you're the problem then you probably are. Sure it can definitely be a one way street, and she will shut you down, but mostly it's justified. Alice has helped me more then I could have ever hoped for, and to be honest I probably wouldn't be here today without her or the community that surrounds her..

    Alice only wants what is best for people, she genuinely wants to help and does without any thanks at all. I've got to say I never liked Alice or the people in her chat at first, I was told things about her that I believed for a short while. It didn't take long for me to realize that most of what I was told was untrue and from people who for some reason felt cheated by Alice. Alice has always been a person I could ask for advice and expect to get a genuine answer. I can't thank her enough for that.

    She's one of the brightest, most caring, understanding people I think I will ever get the chance to talk to. Sure, things may or may not be true, but the positives heavily outweigh the negatives.

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    1. I remember thinking the way you do.
      Remember there are degrees of lies.
      And know that you're thinking just the way she wants you to.

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  17. Alice seems as an interesting person, and i hope she lives a full and loving life desu~

    I like how she gives good advice to people, and enjoys a bit of rp as well, although im really disappointed in anons who try to destroy her rp threads.
    I'm not sure what it is, but i really like it when i see that there is an alice thread going, whether it is tea or cooking, or a general psych help thread.
    I actually get mad at spammers for messing with the thread, but so far i am too inept to dos them.
    She is fun to argue with as she always seems to be in the right, and refuses to give ground.
    I appreciate the fact that she really likes anime and gaming, and seems to be much more socially adjusted than me.
    And most of all i appreciate the Nano, almost as much as i wish she would step on me.

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  18. I'll toss in my little blurb, for posterity.

    I've known her since 2011, since the so-called 'Golden Age' of her threads when the zeitgeist of progress and camaraderie was alive and well. Suffice to say, the threads haven't aged well—a reflection of the individual hosting them. After all these years, one thing has become apparent to me: she's terribly irresponsible and unfit for giving any sort of advice for her targeted demographic.

    One curious thing about Alice2 is her relationship with the truth. The fact of the matter is that she lies, plain and simple. About her accomplishments, about her experiences, her identity—it's all fair game. Now, I know a dozen people will crop up in her defense and say that she doesn't. To those people, they're probably right about a few things, and I have no problem accepting that. But on a few things, she's unequivocally untruthful. The burn thing is a good example; anyone that has bothered to look into the matter themselves, and aren't merely parroting what Alice2 had personally told them would quickly see that this fire story is simple fiction. Those that are willing to accept what she says unquestionably, I have no interest in at all. They're far too gone and will think as they please, partially in an effort to preserve their friendship with Alice2. Understandable but inadvisable.

    Then, there is the camp that acknowledges that Alice2 is purposefully deceitful, but figure that it is probably for good reason. To conceal their identity, for instance; that's a perfectly legitimate reason in my estimation, as privacy on the Internet is a valid concern to have. Thus, if Alice2 wants to claim that she's a colorblind Korean woman with Klinefelter syndrome (or other genetically anomalous disease), used to be an Olympic swimmer, entered the university early at age sixteen, holds several doctoral degrees, used to be on peer review committees despite never being published, saved a number of children from an apartment fire while sustaining third-degree burns, is a pain patient that has an opioid addiction, has clinical depression so severe that ketamine treatments are the only thing she responds to, and affords a chic, lucrative lifestyle by coding for one of the top financial firms in the US...then alright. That's her right. Whatever it takes to keep people off of your trail.

    However, as Okuu astutely pointed out, these tall tales aren't merely to conceal identity, but are often used as devices to garner sympathy, trust, and admiration. This is not her right, and is a form of manipulation. All of these quantities afforded to her through her lies give her the necessary clout to accomplish her objectives. Objectives--which, depending on who you ask—are either nefarious or noble in nature. Personally, I believe that Alice2 tries to do good. And she does; seen it before myself, countless times. However, since her clout is undeserved and obtained through falsehoods, the pursuit to do good quickly takes a turn for the worse, affecting all parties involved negatively. Most if not all of the misfortune that befallen Alice2 is self-inflicted, and she will rationalize and justify her actions to death to avoid all responsibility for her less-than-stellar conduct. Instead, in characteristic fashion she will externalize fault onto others and proselytize to them endlessly about 'owning' their mistakes, utilizing common manipulation tactics such as gaslighting, playing victim, love-bombing, and silent treatments.

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  21. There's also something to be said, about Alice2's qualifications and efficacy. Taking for granted that her aims are noble, why is anyone so sure that she's equipped to achieve them? In her threads she's specifically appealing to a vulnerable demographic; people that have one or more mental illnesses. Is it responsible to allow someone who has a contentious history with the truth, who has given zero proof of clear credentials or qualifications, and HAS demonstrated to be harmful to people in some capacity in the past? That isn't to say that I'm completely doubting that she has in fact helped people. People that needed a bit of comfort, a word of advice, or any semblance of direction—they've all been properly served at one time or another. Hell, by virtue of chance she'd probably helped someone with a mental illness by the timely administration of generally good advice. But with all of these success stories, there are countless unmentioned failures. The dozens upon dozens of anon that found allure in her over-the-top rhetoric and promises, only to be disappointed and possibly even more aimless than before. I often think about one anon that used to go by Coll, that frequented her chat. Day after day I observed him, rotting away in anekichat. Last I heard of him he was entertaining the thought of drinking heavily that night, wandering out to behind the woodshed with a shotgun in hand with the thought of offing himself. I haven't heard from him since. If Alice2 had paid sufficient time and attention to him, but failed to help, then that lends further credence to my theory that she is simply out of her depth and incapable. If Alice2 hadn't paid sufficient time and attention to him--the likelier scenario--then that lends further credence to my complimentary theory, that Alice2 is being irresponsible by virtually promising anon the world, but falling far too short on delivery. Let's not also forget the numerous (ex) members of her community that were wronged by her, as some testimonies above would indicate.

    It is on behalf of these anons and avatars that I hold contempt for Alice2. The fact that even one person has met with an unfortunate fate (it need not be as severe as suicide) under her advertised-as-legitimate 'psychological advice' threads should've indicated that operations be shut down and re-thought. But here we are, eight years later and not a damn thing has changed. Alice2 has never admitted to any wrongdoing, and thus no corrective measures have been implemented.

    To end on a more optimistic note, it seems these days the threads are less focused on helping anon with purportedly professional-grade guidance, and more concerned with pushing her Patreon and streams of her dog and feet. It's an odd development, and isn't quite as manipulative; in fact it might even be beneficial. I'm of the mind that the money Alice2 receives from her Patreon should be donated to charity, with a receipt presented as proof. She's said once before that her Patreon was a 'joke'; the money she receives certainly isn't a joke, and it could really go a long way towards accomplishing some actual good.

    There's a ton of nuance to this entire story, and multiple accounts to consider. If anyone at all would like to discuss this matter to more appreciable depth, feel free to contact me on Discord: 2B#0002.

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